is it normal for the bottle of oil to not be in a bag for the ego9

[sharpshooter]

Im sorry for the dumb post but i am buying a display model ego9 that was sighned by thomas taylor and i noticed that the allen keys and the barrel sock are sealed but the bottle of oil is not in its zip lock bag....i know this is a stupid question but i asked the store owner and he said that it did not come in one...i just have concearns that maybe stuff was used or what ever i am paying $750 for this...thanks i will get rid of this post after i get some answers as its not important i just need some help

[PEOG]

if your concerned if it was used...look down feedneck, is the anno worn at all?

I dont recall the oil having any wrap or bag around it in boxes in past.

[sharpshooter]

if your concerned if it was used...look down feedneck, is the anno worn at all?

I dont recall the oil having any wrap or bag around it in boxes in past.

No there is no breach wear at all..but i dont belive in breach wear every used ego i see has breach wear accept for mine,and i think its because people dont want to oil there bolt because there afraid it will get blown down the barrel hurting accuracy...me on the other hand always keep my bolt oiled and i never have accuracy issues..i have about 15 cases through my other etek2 and the breach looks new...but anyway every unboxing vid on you tube shows the bottle of oil in its bag and my etek2 came with one...your saying its normal to not come with one?

[PEOG]

Dont oil the bolt, the bolt material over time will absorb the oil causeing swelling in certain climates and temp changes

[PEOG]

and Im saying that the oil is always hit or miss.. hell there are times it wasnt even eclipse oil sent but a bottle brand sold through kee...like they ran out.

dont stress a bag over your oil. if you feel it was used, then u should not have bought it.

[sharpshooter]

and Im saying that the oil is always hit or miss.. hell there are times it wasnt even eclipse oil sent but a bottle brand sold through kee...like they ran out.

dont stress a bag over your oil. if you feel it was used, then u should not have bought it.

im making payments on it..is $750 a good price if its a floor model or used?

[PEOG]

for an 09... no with the issues they had,

When the 10's came out the 2 yr old 08's that ANS ( PE Had ANS sell off all their remaining 08's ) had left were selling BNIB for 550.00

So going by that math... I wouldnt pay more then 500, considering the issues with the 9's

USED, about 450

[sharpshooter]

for an 09... no with the issues they had,

When the 10's came out the 2 yr old 08's that ANS ( PE Had ANS sell off all their remaining 08's ) had left were selling BNIB for 550.00

So going by that math... I wouldnt pay more then 500, considering the issues with the 9's

USED, about 450

i see the 09's sell for $699 used everywhere and wernt the problems solved by the plank kit?? or what other problems were there?

I was looking in the spare parts section and found that the replacement solonoid for the ego9 was also for the ego10,and as Jack wood said that basically he incorporated the plank technology into the ego9's noid and thats how he got the ego10 to be the smoothest..and besides that the ego10 i belive includes the zick 2 witch must soften the kick even more?? so because the ego10's noid comes with the plank kit technology and probally the restricting barb and a zick 2 kit...witch can be installed on the ego9 for free accept the zick 2 witch i dont think was released when the ego9 came out anyway...the ego9 is the worst ego ever made and the ego10 is the best?...lol...im puzzled...

[DriverJ]

and Im saying that the oil is always hit or miss.. hell there are times it wasnt even eclipse oil sent but a bottle brand sold through kee...like they ran out.

dont stress a bag over your oil. if you feel it was used, then u should not have bought it.

When they were sending the other brand of oil it was when PE was switching the formula used in their oil so they used another brand until the new PE oil came in.

im making payments on it..is $750 a good price if its a floor model or used?

$750 isn't a bad price for a new gun, and no not having a bag on the oil is not uncommon. Only one of the BNIB guns I bought had the oil in a bag, don't fret.

for an 09... no with the issues they had,

When the 10's came out the 2 yr old 08's that ANS ( PE Had ANS sell off all their remaining 08's ) had left were selling BNIB for 550.00

So going by that math... I wouldnt pay more then 500, considering the issues with the 9's

USED, about 450

USED 09's can be had for $500, but most I've seen lately are still in the $600+ range

As far as problems the problems were not as widespread as everyone likes to say. There were many people that never experienced issues, and the issues were addressed. With the issues addressed As previously noted the price you paid is fair. Not great, but fair.

[PEOG]

USED 09's can be had for $500, but most I've seen lately are still in the $600+ range



didnt say they couldnt, read my post again, I said "I" wouldnt pay..

[Electrokid]

Dont oil the bolt, the bolt material over time will absorb the oil causeing swelling in certain climates and temp changes

reading the manual of my ego9, it says to lightly oil the bolt. Did they tell you tech's otherwise?

[sharpshooter]

reading the manual of my ego9, it says to lightly oil the bolt. Did they tell you tech's otherwise?

i agree, even if delrin could swell with oil witch as a machinist i never heard of that happening..there still is an rubber oring around it and i dont feel that that should drag in a metal bore or any bore where a object is to reciprocate.I am also going to make a thread about the ego9 being the so called worst ego??? i dont get how that is when the 9 and the 10 use the same noid but its just that for the 10 they took the 09 noid and permenently reduced its air flow there for acting like the plank kit on the 09..and then they installed the zick 2 in the ego10 witch further reduces kick..and what do you have??/the best ego ever luckily for planet eclipse its easy to impress uss...lol...and its not that im saying anything against any gun as i love all egos...but it seems to me that since Jack wood himself said that for the ego10 they basically incorporated the plank technology in the noid witch is the same noid as the ego9...and of course they added the zick 2 witch im sure they would have included in the ego9 if it was out in time they ended up with an ego9 with a bigger screen...and a smoother shot.That is of course if the ego9 does not have the plank installed

[sharpshooter]

When they were sending the other brand of oil it was when PE was switching the formula used in their oil so they used another brand until the new PE oil came in.



$750 isn't a bad price for a new gun, and no not having a bag on the oil is not uncommon. Only one of the BNIB guns I bought had the oil in a bag, don't fret.



USED 09's can be had for $500, but most I've seen lately are still in the $600+ range

As far as problems the problems were not as widespread as everyone likes to say. There were many people that never experienced issues, and the issues were addressed. With the issues addressed As previously noted the price you paid is fair. Not great, but fair.



Ok thank you...but 09's can be bought for $500 please tell me where? and not looking like they were dragged by a car although trade my gun was selling one that looked like it was and it still sold for $650 i belive,if you say they can be had then i belive you but all i ever see is $700-$800

[PEOG]

reading the manual of my ego9, it says to lightly oil the bolt. Did they tell you tech's otherwise?


to lightly oil the o-rings on the bolt

[PEOG]

i dont get how that is when the 9 and the 10 use the same noid

Your next statement even challenges this.


but its just that for the 10 they took the 09 noid and permenently reduced its air flow

They took the same design, and redesigned it, thus its not the same noid. same design, but as you said, its the 09 noid...perm modded and designed into a new noid.

Thats like saying a 350 and a 383 motor are the same....

same block, different guts....

[PEOG]

i agree, even if delrin could swell with oil witch as a machinist i never heard of that happening.


really You sure about that?

Ive worked with the same grade delrin as a chef for years, and have had it break down and swell

Sorry, but the way 90% of players over lube, and excessivly lube their markers, and the fact that marker oil is a petrol based product that contains benzene, arsenic and other petrol based ingredients that over time will effect delrin

[sharpshooter]

really You sure about that?

Ive worked with the same grade delrin as a chef for years, and have had it break down and swell

Sorry, but the way 90% of players over lube, and excessivly lube their markers, and the fact that marker oil is a petrol based product that contains benzene, arsenic and other petrol based ingredients that over time will effect delrin

yes, i machine parts for a machine called "Hot gas" and many parts on it are made of delrin and oil is used to lubricate these parts and they are parts that work together and demand a fine enough fit to fit that there is not really room for drastic swelling...but who knows maybe certain delrins will swell but do to the info i have be attaining i took the liberty of measuring the outer diameter of my cure 3 bolt from my etek2 for a few months now and the outer diameter has not increased not even one thousandth of an inch....but again i will keep testing.


as far as the noid i dont feel that adding flow restriction means a new desighn...although its arguable as to what this means...jack wood said that he basically incorporated the plank technology into the noid so instead of adding these plastic planks...the machinist simply just did not open the out put area as much so it does not need flow restricting add ons...so is that really a new desighn where it really matters? what i mean is that in the spare parts section the replacement noid for the ego9 is also for the ego10...if it was a largely different noid in that the mounting point of the gun...or certain plumbing was needed in the gun to accommidate this new noid, then it could be said that the ego10 is a better ego because of the way it was made...not because it uses the same noid as the ego9, accept the out put port is not opend as much...therefore instead of the blast of air being concentrated on one small part of the ram....it is spread out on a bit of a larger surface on the ram witch reduces the shock and equals no more damage to the orings,more gentle delivery to the ram leads to a smoother shot,and the addition of the zick 2 doubles the over all feel of the gun as a whole.


I think it could be said that by installing the plank kit in the ego9,people who do so are re engineering there noid or upgrading it to a ego10 noid,if the ego10's noid having built in flow restrictors means that the noid itself is a new model all together

[PEOG]

the spare parts replacement section is because they are ( 10 noids ) backwards compatable...in other words they are the new noids that will work in the 09's, but put an 09 noi in a 10, your bound for trouble.


also, what is the regular replacement cycle of the delrin parts in those machines? That may play into effect..iie if they are a 90 day, 180 day, etc replacement, whatever it is, it may be why no noticable degrigation is seen.

[PEOG]

wow we jacked your own thread...lol

[sharpshooter]

wow we jacked your own thread...lol

what does this mean?

[PEOG]

really? we thread jacked your own thread...we took it to a conversation off topic of the OP... cmon now

[sharpshooter]

the spare parts replacement section is because they are ( 10 noids ) backwards compatable...in other words they are the new noids that will work in the 09's, but put an 09 noi in a 10, your bound for trouble.


also, what is the regular replacement cycle of the delrin parts in those machines? That may play into effect..iie if they are a 90 day, 180 day, etc replacement, whatever it is, it may be why no noticable degrigation is seen.

I dont know what any warranty time frame is,i machine the parts and help the electronic engineer assemble them sometimes if he needs help if we are late for a show.

As far as the noid being backwards compatible,dont you think its because there is such a small difference as to what was changed that this is allowed? if the channels that the air flows through on the gun were differnt between the two model guns then the noid could not be backwards compatible...and putting an ego9 noid in a ego10 would be trouble because we would get problems with the ram orings busting again...i wonder if anyone would try taking an noid out of there ego9 with the plank kit and barb installed and putting it there ego10 i bet it would work...as i said if the two noids are backwards compatible they have to work on each others gun...my point is that the main difference is in flow restriction nothing more...as i think

[sharpshooter]

really? we thread jacked your own thread...we took it to a conversation off topic of the OP... cmon now

Im not very big with forum slang as i dont spend much time on them i come online here and my other forums once in a while so i did not know what that meant...now i know and knowing is half the battle...GI JOE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps its better that we did since this is a better topic than asking why my ego9 does not have its bottle of oil wrapped in a plastic bag? although this could have been discussed in the "why is the ego10 slower than the 9" post as i think its called?


Unless the in put holes in the body of the ego10 are in fact larger than the holes on the ego9 body so to not cause the gun to choke since a more restricted flow of air is now entering the machine from this new more gentle noid...then i would see how installing a ego9 noid without planks would be harmful on a ego10,since the ego10's input holes are larger and would assist the ego 9's stock high powerd noid amplifying the blast then really causing extreme destruction to the ram orings.

[Roswell Crash]

If you phone PE they might send you a free bag for the oil, if the marker looks brand new I wouldn't worry, enjoy the marker & don't change anything unless it needs it is my advice.

My EGO 10 came with oil in the seal bag, my GEO 2 didn't the oil was bagless hope that puts your mind at ease.

Well it's not my GEO but a gift for Christmas :)

[sharpshooter]

If you phone PE they might send you a free bag for the oil, if the marker looks brand new I wouldn't worry, enjoy the marker & don't change anything unless it needs it is my advice.

My EGO 10 came with oil in the seal bag, my GEO 2 didn't the oil was bagless hope that puts your mind at ease.

Well it's not my GEO but a gift for Christmas :)

lol...yeah any support helps man i always wanted one of these i started with an etek2 and love that very much but i was dying to get a real ego and the ego7 and 8 was my favorite until the ego9 came out i was drooling...lol...i am a big collector also as well as player and a gear head on top of that as this post would probally show between sideshow and myself talking about something that bore the heck out of most people...lol...but yeah its a beautiful gun i have all the pics of it sitting in its case...also it was sighned by Thomas Taylor on the gun and on the case and was wondering if i should leave that signature on? or is it ok for it to rub off? it was sighned while he was on his beat down city tour

[PEOG]

...as i said if the two noids are backwards compatible they have to work on each others gun...my point is that the main difference is in flow restriction nothing more...as i think

you mis understood what I meant... the item is identical b/c they are all NEW noids thus backwards compatable...ie they are 10 noids that work in 09's

hence the term..BACKwards compatable... the 09s are not forwards compatable with 10's lol

[sharpshooter]

you mis understood what I meant... the item is identical b/c they are all NEW noids thus backwards compatable...ie they are 10 noids that work in 09's

OH ok..if the noid really are internally re engineered that much then ill take your word for it..but then that would of course mean that an ego9 could be the best ego ever made with the addition of installing a replacement noid and a zick 2 then correct? or is there more?

[PEOG]

well replace the noid and the board, as that also has been vamped programming wise..ie the mathematical algorithums controlling the noid.

cure3+, upgraded LPR.

there are a fwe things changed from 9 to 10 that improve on performance then just slapping basic 10 parts in a 9

[sharpshooter]

well replace the noid and the board, as that also has been vamped programming wise..ie the mathematical algorithums controlling the noid.

cure3+, upgraded LPR.

there are a fwe things changed from 9 to 10 that improve on performance then just slapping basic 10 parts in a 9

And in your opinion do those things contribute to the ego10 leaving the ego9 in the dust? im not insulted either way personally the ego9 is my favorite and i am buying it over the ego10 by choice...still know that the ego9 is one of the best in the world and saying that the ego9 is the worst ego ever is like saying some model of a ferrari had some problems that caused some head aches but they are fixed with certain parts...in the end the farrari still works and damn well.


Also does the ego9 use the sl8r lpr and some other parts? i thought it did? and wasnt the sl8r the best ego ever made as i hear? as far as the board im sure the ego9 board is plenty fine and as far as the mathmatical allgerrithams i wonder how drastic of a change that really is..but im sure its not something a Tadao oled cant fix if it ever had to be fixed on the ego9 board witch im sure it does not

[Melonhead]

What it boils down to is every Eclipse marker is great, and people just need something to complain about. I love my 09. I shot my friend's Ego8 and the 9 is smoother and feels better in my opinion. I have the Ego10 frame on mine and prefer it to the 09, but the 09 is just fine. Like I said, people just were put out by the fact that the 09 needed the planks or barbs to work correctly. Still beats the hell outta any other marker I've ever shot.

And I know you're a gearhead, but you need to stop getting so caught up in what parts are carried over from Ego to Ego! LOL

[sharpshooter]

What it boils down to is every Eclipse marker is great, and people just need something to complain about. I love my 09. I shot my friend's Ego8 and the 9 is smoother and feels better in my opinion. I have the Ego10 frame on mine and prefer it to the 09, but the 09 is just fine. Like I said, people just were put out by the fact that the 09 needed the planks or barbs to work correctly. Still beats the hell outta any other marker I've ever shot.

And I know you're a gearhead, but you need to stop getting so caught up in what parts are carried over from Ego to Ego! LOL

It was not so much as to what part was carried from ego to ego,as it was people were saying that my favorite ego was the worst one ever made because planet eclipse goes and does something to a make a reliable gun even more reliable by getting rid of the qev's,while increasing the insane rate of fire that egos are known for and of course since they did that by basically using the most powerful noid they ever used and having it directly breath on the ram there was going to be some issues with orings on the ram or something like that....i mean its common sense...lol..and people have to label something as bad even though a part was made to fix the trouble.

I think this should be known as the best ego ever made if anything since starting with this one the qev's were removed? although my friends never had any problems with there 08 ego's that are supposed to have the trouble some qev block,or the ego7 thats supposed to be bad because it only had one qev witch puts more stress on that one qev supposedly wearing it faster.


I just dont like people that dont think,of course a new desighn is going to need to be perfected...i shot a ego10 and love it and shot an ego9 with the plank kit and the barb and a zick 2 kit and they both shot the same exactly,that is why im trying to make this point that with these parts added the ego9 is the same weather the board has different programming or not is not enough to justify climbing mountains.


This will be my first ego although i love all egos the 9 is my favorite as to looks and machanically it shot just fine...i have an etek2 witch is cheaper and older than the ego10 and to me it has no kick at all so i cant imagine one of planets flagship guns being worse.

[PEOG]

Honestly its all opinion.

Personally I feel the 08's are the best ever made, and regardless how nasty the 9,10,11's are ,I will always prefer the 08. the 07 is second, because of the inline reg using shims....

[Melonhead]

I guess if I spent all day doing nothing but shooting Egos and working on them I could tell the major differences in the shot between them. But I shot mongo's Etek2 and my Ego9 and they were so similar in shot its not even worth commenting on. I also had the zick and zick2 for my 9 and I couldn't tell the difference between the 2 at all. No difference to me. So I gave the Z2 to a friend because I like the stock back cap better than the Z2 back cap. Planet has amazing markers no matter which model or year you choose. You just might have to work on different parts differently is all.

[sharpshooter]

Also as i asked before,this gun was sighned by Thomas Taylor during his beat down city tour,it was sighned on the right side of the gun and on the case...is this signature worth trying to keep on? what i mean is that of course im going to shoot this gun and as we know the oil that we use on the poppits will remove the ink from a sharpie marker...this was sighned with a silver sharpie what do you think of this?

[Melonhead]

Personally, I'd say don't worry about it. If it was that big of a deal that he signed it, it wouldn't have been for sale. A paintball marker is meant to be played with. Just my $.02

[PEOG]

Also as i asked before,this gun was sighned by Thomas Taylor during his beat down city tour,it was sighned on the right side of the gun and on the case...is this signature worth trying to keep on? what i mean is that of course im going to shoot this gun and as we know the oil that we use on the poppits will remove the ink from a sharpie marker...this was sighned with a silver sharpie what do you think of this?

IF you want to keep it, hit it with a qucik shot of automotive clear coat?

[sharpshooter]

IF you want to keep it, hit it with a qucik shot of automotive clear coat?

That was a good one...lol...yeah i guess ill just do what i planned and wipe it off with some alcahol

[PEOG]

lol u thought i was joking?

I had a kid come to me with an 08 signed that he wanted to use and still keep signature.

I hit it with a shot of automotive clear ( actually House of Kolor Clear ) and its still there and you cant even tell its been shot with a coat

[DriverJ]

Ok thank you...but 09's can be bought for $500 please tell me where? and not looking like they were dragged by a car although trade my gun was selling one that looked like it was and it still sold for $650 i belive,if you say they can be had then i belive you but all i ever see is $700-$800

Used on PBNation I've seen them sink that low. Its very rare, and they usually sell very quickly as its people just looking to get cash very fast, but it happens. TMG always sells their guns high, because you don't have the worry that you may get scammed like on Nation and they have more over-head then Johnny shoot'em up on PBN selling his gun to buy the latest and greatest or get his last minute rent money.

AS said the price you got was fair for a new gun, but the prices of used guns can vary a lot, based on condition and how fast the seller needs to move said item. Most people are just looking to make money on the sale now or move up to the new tech. Its generally only the need cash now or leaving paintball crowd that gives up the really good deals.

[Melonhead]

Yep. I got my 09 in March for $500 because it had someone's name lasered on the side of it. And he's a nice guy.

[Electrokid]

to lightly oil the o-rings on the boltOh ok. I thought you were saying not to put any oil anywhere on the bolt.

[Electrokid]

Also as i asked before,this gun was sighned by Thomas Taylor during his beat down city tour,it was sighned on the right side of the gun and on the case...is this signature worth trying to keep on? what i mean is that of course im going to shoot this gun and as we know the oil that we use on the poppits will remove the ink from a sharpie marker...this was sighned with a silver sharpie what do you think of this?

I think that would be a terrible idea to wipe it off with alcohol. Like Sideshow said, give it a blast of clear coat. Or just don't touch it at all. It's a collectors item. I collectors items signed by people, and I couldnt imagine wiping that off.

[sharpshooter]

I think that would be a terrible idea to wipe it off with alcohol. Like Sideshow said, give it a blast of clear coat. Or just don't touch it at all. It's a collectors item. I collectors items signed by people, and I couldnt imagine wiping that off.

Well as far as painting it...i cant do that...lol..although that is a good idea sideshow had as far as if i wanted to preserve it but this gun was annodized and i cant imagine putting clear coat on it...i love the gun more than the signature but yeah i guess ill just leave it alone and let nature take its course i am probally just going to be using this as a backyard shooter since with 5 kids i am lucky to afford an ego especially my favorite one of all time as far as looks are concearned but i know it will be a great machine to...i am wanting to collect every years ego...as far as the ego11 i dont know what i think about this one it is wierd to me..i will grab a ego10 once my sons are finished with there GI Joe with the kUNG FU GRIP collection


I have a etek2 and love that and dont think down on it in any way,but i always wanted an ego not because other people do but because i loved them since the first day my friend and i took a couple years off paintball and before we did the planet eclipse electro cockers were on the wall and we used to love going to the store to pickup paint and look at those guns..and once we returned to paintball we found the cockers gone and these ego5's there instead and i loved it before i knew how good it was.I love my etek2 and i heard its supposed to be as good as an ego5 so im very happy with that