Woodsball Ego?

[Jester]

Hey OG. Now I truely love the Ego. I myself do not own one but a friend of mine likes to swap markers and shooting his 08 is a Joy. The problem he has in the woods, is that the Colors tend to stick out a bit. So i was thinking as a person who plays mostly woodsball\scenario, of a PE woodsball ego. Now don't get worried, i'm not going to start talking about magazines, shrouds and the like, I don't want a mil-sim Ego, just something that has a few changes for the woods.

My Ideas for something like this would be:
- Off set feednect to allow the user to sight down the barrel to get a better chance of first shot accuracy
- A color selection of Matte Black, Coyote Tan, or OD green to help better match the colors of their surroundings, so your not sticking out like a sour thumb.
- The Option ( depending on the user, some may want the option) to add a folding wire stock onto the gun for the people out there who use a remote line due to the fact that they may use too large of a tank ( I own a 110ci tank for outlaw games for example, and its too awkward to shoot with it on the gun, and there aren't any tank covers that fit a tank that big. And when i run a remote line to it, steadying the gun to fire is hard, as well as the forward weight distribuition of the gun is awkard on my Mini).
-Scalloped double trigger ( just like the double trigger on the 98 custom pro's, the indents allow for those who wear full length gloves to walk the trigger a little easier without the fingers slipping)
- Small under barrel picatinny rail 2" in length to allow for the user to mount any accesory they may want or need onto the marker such as a Bipod if so needed. This would not be a shroud, just require different milling that would jut out underneath the barrel.

anyway, these were just some Ideas i had floating in my head. Any thoughts?

[Hater-mann]

The only idea I like, is the color selection, other than that I think you would be changing the ego to much already.

[RTDawnPatrol]

Eric Engler will custom duracoat any color you wanthttp://www.englerpaintballguns.com/page2.htm

As far as a stock, you could use a SO t2W, or UMS makes some rail mounted stocks that might work. Actually Engler can make whatever you want.

[Jester]

Engler is the man. there's also a place where any OG'er gets a discount for a custom duracoat job ( goes by "dbug" on the X7OG, A5OG, and i think the 98OG, as well. this is his website www.customguncamo.com And yeah i know a lot of these Ideas seem crazy, they were just thoughts i had one day and idk, wanted to see what people thought.

[RTDawnPatrol]

I'd love to see more REAL technology used in the woods, not just marketing ploys to get woodsballers to buy REALLY expensive guns that dont work in the woods. Everybody seems to think that woodsballers are cro-magnon cause we use Tippy's, but you can dump muddy water on em and they still work and there's enough play inside that some grit wont tear up everything.

I'm interested to see what sort of woodsball ingenuity we see as more people get on here. There's an Eclipse sponsered team, Desert Edge, that have sort of camp Ego's.

[zulu]

Hey Jester.......

There are some very woods friendly color options for Planet Eclipse markers. There are Eteks in E-Star camo and then you have the Jungle camo splash and sand camo splash 08's. There are also some olive and brown 08s as well.

In terms of "stockage" you can go with the T2W stock, or a T-stock. I've seen both on an Ego.

Offset, I don't think that there really is that much gained by having a "clear" sight line down the barrel. I had a scope on my A-5, but never used it because my shooting technique never required it. As long as you shoulder the marker properly and use the barrel to "lead" you I think you're fine. Basically, the barrel acts as an extension of your eye and you sight down the gun, shooting where you're looking...if that makes sense.

I'd love to see more REAL technology used in the woods, not just marketing ploys to get woodsballers to buy REALLY expensive guns that dont work in the woods. Everybody seems to think that woodsballers are cro-magnon cause we use Tippy's, but you can dump muddy water on em and they still work and there's enough play inside that some grit wont tear up everything.

I'm interested to see what sort of woodsball ingenuity we see as more people get on here. There's an Eclipse sponsered team, Desert Edge, that have sort of camp Ego's.

Three words for you........Bob Long MTac

[Joey]

One of our own members Sarge does custom Duracoat and Anno in house. Great Job and prices and is a hard corps scenario player. His info is in the merchant corner, Another Sick Ano.

He can do about anything under the sun!

And as for picatinny rails, you can get them with barrel mounts for any barrel at RAP.

AirHog has also made a sweet airthrough stock that attaches to the ASA for TBlacks old ego

[RTDawnPatrol]

Zulu! I havent been in a thread with you in like a year!

Yeah I've seen the MTAC, but havent seen anything on it except a Youtube review. But again, whats the base model cost? Like a grand? Thats insane imho. I can understand that the accuracy and efficiency is there but at what point did Bon Long go "sure, woodsballers dont win prize money or get free markers from sponsors, but this seems like a fair price right?":rant:

ANYWAY, with some more coaxing from this forum, I may try to get an ETEK this season. Then I'm going to make it woodsworthy! Wonder if you can mount a QLoader on them.....

[Joey]

Yes you can mount a Q loader on them....seen it already

[DUFF MUFFIN]

Sorry, but I have to completely disagree with you here,

A non centerfed ego would be useless, it's not like you hold the gun vertical, you hold it a little to the side so it is easier to walk. Also, it makes the gun unbalanced and very hard to move with. And when your shooting out of one side of a bunker, the whole hopper sticks out, not just a tiny bit.

Colors- Why would color matter that much, it's not like people notice a gun before they see the user that is moving and more than 5X the size of the gun.

stocks- why do you like remotes? Why not use a a drop forward? A remote constricts movement when trying to switch hands. Plus, why are you shooting with a 110ci tank, a 68ci tank could replace that mammoth and with an ego, still get the same amount of shots as a Tippmann

triggers- a trigger that you have to have precision finger placement isn't always the best, when people walk the trigger, most of the time, people take their triggers off the fingers and tend to move then up or down depending on the situation.

Rails- Again, why? What is the point of a bipod, flashlight, foregrip?You can use the regulator as a foregrip, and the other things are useless.

[Joey]

When your ready for an Etek, let me know, I have enough sources to get one for you very decent in used or new. Great Markers and hang side by side with the Ego brothers

[tblack]

Jeter you can radically mod an ego. Someone put an ego in a ruger mini 14 stock. Looked awesome and I am currently waiting on one myself. Mini 14 stock that is. You can also put your mini in one. But you really dont need to do all that. Just choose a good color scheme and you'll learn real fast. The freedom of performance will make all that melt away...

[Joey]

stocks- why do you like remotes? Why not use a a drop forward? A remote constricts movement when trying to switch hands. Plus, why are you shooting with a 110ci tank, a 68ci tank could replace that mammoth and with an ego, still get the same amount of shots as a Tippmann


Rails- Again, why? What is the point of a bipod, flashlight, foregrip?You can use the regulator as a foregrip, and the other things are useless.

I get about 1800 shots with a 68ci on my ego, and on a tippy got about 1000 so right there is reason, Quail runs a 90 on his and has a pinokio hopper both on an 09.

As for the rails, try playing a MOUT site at night. I think that is a great idea for running a flashlight.

[DUFF MUFFIN]

I would rather run a flashlight on my head, but I guess to each his own!

[tblack]

I get about 1800 shots with a 68ci on my ego, and on a tippy got about 1000 so right there is reason, Quail runs a 90 on his and has a pinokio hopper both on an 09.

As for the rails, try playing a MOUT site at night. I think that is a great idea for running a flashlight.


Running a rail is an issue I am dealing with right now. I think I have figured out a way to do a clip on rail that doesn't need to be a full time attached. And doesn't alter or hurt the anno.

My thoughts exactly Sideshow. As I am fan of CQB and some rooms and games require a good tac light. Ill get pics up when complete.

[Joey]

yeah but then your light source is not where you always want it.

Try being point man, and keeping light in a fireteam with your head, then looking back to communicate, you just messed yourself.

Having a light on your head in any tactical sense is the worse place for it, you arent always facing the diretion you want light.

[Joey]

Running a rail is an issue I am dealing with right now. I think I have figured out a way to do a clip on rail that doesn't need to be a full time attached. And doesn't alter or hurt the anno.

My thoughts exactly Sideshow. As I am fan of CQB and some rooms and games require a good tac light. Ill get pics up when complete.



http://www.rap4.com/images/mount/2Barrel_Mounts.jpg

[DUFF MUFFIN]

Good point you bring up!. Last night game I didn't use a flashlight, so I wouldn't know. (full moon) But this year I am going to have a battery in a backpack and a half million candle power flashlight with wire to my backpack :p

[tblack]

That's a good alternative but I'm not too fond of clamping that down on my Deadly Winds CF. I'm thinking of a direct frame attachment.

[Joey]

That's a good alternative but I'm not too fond of clamping that down on my Deadly Winds CF. I'm thinking of a direct frame attachment.

They are padded inside, so you only need to go till its together, no need to "clamp" since the rubber padding keeps it from moving. I have one on order I'll let you know how it fairs on a DW barrel

[Jester]

well i have been enlightened. most of these i wouldn't do to an Ego anyway, just some ideas to see what you guys thoughts. As to why i'm running with a 110Ci tank. I.O.N. with a gas hog X7. I need to be able to shoot atleast 1700 rounds with that so i had to buy the largest tank i could find. lol. or my outlaw games so it'll last all day.

[Baby Ollie]

my responses in red

Sorry, but I have to completely disagree with you here,

A non centerfed ego would be useless, it's not like you hold the gun vertical, you hold it a little to the side so it is easier to walk. Also, it makes the gun unbalanced and very hard to move with. And when your shooting out of one side of a bunker, the whole hopper sticks out, not just a tiny bit.

I'm going to have to agree/disagree with you here. I prefer a centerfeed marker because of the better profile it offers. It also offers the ability to switch hands without anything sticking out (like it should be). However, you should NOT slant the marker when shooting. You want to keep it vertical, straight up and down. This gives you a better profile than slanting the marker. To slant it, you expose more body. Besides, play enough and you'll know exactly how and where your marker is going to shoot.

Colors- Why would color matter that much, it's not like people notice a gun before they see the user that is moving and more than 5X the size of the gun.
While this may be true for you and me, others feel differently. I personally like flashy colors. However, I can see why someone would want a subdued look. PE does have the new woodsy pattern. There ar also Ego's with earthy color schemes that have been in circulation.

stocks- why do you like remotes? Why not use a a drop forward? A remote constricts movement when trying to switch hands. Plus, why are you shooting with a 110ci tank, a 68ci tank could replace that mammoth and with an ego, still get the same amount of shots as a Tippmann

Why use a remote or dropforward? Dropforwards are useless. All they do is add unnecessary height to the marker. Remotes keep you from switching hands so they are out. Besides, with the light weight of carbon fiber tanks and the Ego, having an on gun air set-up just makes more sense.

triggers- a trigger that you have to have precision finger placement isn't always the best, when people walk the trigger, most of the time, people take their triggers off the fingers and tend to move then up or down depending on the situation.
If you're taking your fingers off the trigger, you're doing something wrong. If your wrist it out, with the tips of your fingers being used to walk the trigger, you're creating a bigger profile and asking to get shot.

Rails- Again, why? What is the point of a bipod, flashlight, foregrip?You can use the regulator as a foregrip, and the other things are useless.
Useless to you maybe. I sure wouldn't be caught dead with one, but if someone else wants it, why knock 'em for it? While the reg does serve as a foregrip, if someone really wants a bipod, or flashlight; no matter how useless you think it is, it's their marker and their decision. Just gives you more to stuff to blow up on the field.:D

[cwest]

I want to know why RTDawnPatrol thinks expensive guns are useless in the woods. I have been tearing up the woods with an ETEK since Thanksgiving and trust me it is far from useless. Also an idea for flashlights. I use a MagLite AA battery flashlite that I have Velcro'd around the barrel insted of to it. I glued a piece of felt to the flashlight to prevent any scratching of the barrel. Its works pretty well. I will try and take some pics when I get home as I am in Key West for work.

[DriverJ]

On the note of the 110 CI. I would suggest 2 smaller tanks, maybe 68s or even 45's
I can play several back to back games shooting 3 pods and hopper. I think last I checked I was getting around 9 pods worth of paint from my 45. I'll have to recheck that soon, but the efficiency is there with the Ego/Etek that isn't there with lots of other markers, so my recommendation is selling the larger tank and picking up 2 smaller ones. You'll have to invest a bit more $$$ than running a remote or drop, but you'll be much better off.
I run all of my Ego's on a 45/4500 and its perfect distribution of weight, easy to switch hands, you can find covers easily and you should get plenty of shots between 2 of them.

[sarge]

well brothers, imho the color matter much more off the field than on, this is the 3rd of my white guns and i play in the woods a lot
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4674/052xvn.th.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=052xvn.jpg)

and yes i sneak up on the enemy with this

[sarge]

driver that is exactly why i started using an ego

[RTDawnPatrol]

I want to know why RTDawnPatrol thinks expensive guns are useless in the woods. I have been tearing up the woods with an ETEK since Thanksgiving and trust me it is far from useless. Also an idea for flashlights. I use a MagLite AA battery flashlite that I have Velcro'd around the barrel insted of to it. I glued a piece of felt to the flashlight to prevent any scratching of the barrel. Its works pretty well. I will try and take some pics when I get home as I am in Key West for work.I never said that they were "useless". And I also never said any brand specifically didnt work. I've seen guys with Angels, Protos and other high dollar electros renting 98's at scenarios cause something stopped working or downright broke. My point was that I would like to see more current tech put into a body similar to an A5/X7. Then you would have a gun that performed and had the modability/milsim good looks that alot of woodsballers are drawn to. The best of both worlds if you'll allow the phrase.

[zulu]

I never said that they were "useless". And I also never said any brand specifically didnt work. I've seen guys with Angels, Protos and other high dollar electros renting 98's at scenarios cause something stopped working or downright broke. My point was that I would like to see more current tech put into a body similar to an A5/X7. Then you would have a gun that performed and had the modability/milsim good looks that alot of woodsballers are drawn to. The best of both worlds if you'll allow the phrase.


That's what the MTac is/was for me. Only issue I have with it is that I would be concerned playing with it in the rain (the eyes and board). Other than that it really is the best of both. The issue I see is that the initial outlay of cash is in the speedball realm......but in the long run, many people put about as much money into an a5 modding it and tricking it out as they'd pay for an MTac.

[DUFF MUFFIN]

my responses in red


I'm going to have to agree/disagree with you here. I prefer a centerfeed marker because of the better profile it offers. It also offers the ability to switch hands without anything sticking out (like it should be). However, you should NOT slant the marker when shooting. You want to keep it vertical, straight up and down. This gives you a better profile than slanting the marker. To slant it, you expose more body. Besides, play enough and you'll know exactly how and where your marker is going to shoot.

Isn't it hard to keep the gun vertical, to me, it feels natural to tilt is a little, and I don't feel like I'm sticking out more.. I do see what you're saying though and I will try it out more next time.

If you're taking your fingers off the trigger, you're doing something wrong. If your wrist it out, with the tips of your fingers being used to walk the trigger, you're creating a bigger profile and asking to get shot.

Ok, I see what you mean by not taking your fingers off the trigger, but do your fingers move up and down the trigger depending on how I shoot, should they? No, I don't shoot with the tips of my fingers.


Blue questions for ya. Thanks :)

[zulu]

Blue questions for ya. Thanks :)

I always slant my marker. Lol. I can see where it would make your profile slightly larger.


My fingers don't move up and down the trigger when walking it. It's all in the technique I think.

[Baby Ollie]

Moving up and down doesn't matter. You just want to keep your wrist tucked in. For me, my wrist presses up against my reg on my tank. Tilting your marker does make a bigger profile when you snap out. I'll try and make a video or take some photos showing it tomorrow.

[Administrator]

I tilt my marker so that whatever side around a bunker Im trying to shoot, I angle marker so my hopper is turned IN towards the bunker so I still can glance down side of barrel regardless what side I am looking around..and not worry that my hopper is fully exposed

[TheECP]

The only bunker you really can tilt your hopper in is dorito (becuase of the obvious slant), or shooting infield in snake (so the hopper isn't above your head). Otherwise your arm and wrist stick out more and I actually knick that more often than hoppers when I shoot players.

[Joey]

Then the people slanting aren't holding it right if their arm or hand sticks out more.

[sarge]

lol, i get shot in the right elbow a bunch. just cant seem to keep it tucked

[Vashthestampede]

In order to tilt your marker in and still clear the bunker your going to have to expose more of your shooting arm. Unless you are holding your marker in some weird way.

[Joey]

I'll get a pic with me doing it, you'll see what I mean, I get less exposure of my arms and hopper regardless of what side Im shooting form.

I'll take a straight forward shot with it tilted and without.

basically when I lean to the left , I tilt the hopper "in", my elbow does not leave the side of my hip, and essentially I have my hand bent at the wrist at a 90..and the angel of my lean puts the angle of the marker at about 30 degrees... hard to explain, I'll get a shot taken later for you

[tblack]

I shoot with my marker tilted and I dont think I have my arm too exposed. Or do I? Ill have to ask the next time I play....

[sarge]

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[Vashthestampede]

Someone get sideshow a camera and a mirror, I'm interested to see this.

[DUFF MUFFIN]

Someone get sideshow a camera and a mirror, I'm interested to see this. :rofl: If I didn't know what was going on already, I would be scared!

[Joey]

I'll get a shot after grail next weekend, dont have a means to till then unfortuantly, plus there we'll have other members of the site see what I mean in person as well

[Vashthestampede]

Guys make sure to shoot him in the arm :tongue:

[Baby Ollie]

This thread has been terribly taken off course.... Here's a new one :)

let the discussion of how to hold your marker begin!
link (http://www.eclipse-owners.com/showthread.php?p=1422#post1422)

[Milkshake]

If you have seen the One with the gun video with Joy's Maximus Lundqvist it shows a different approach to snapping using your waist more than your lower body. Bending at the waist and coming out with the hopper in-line with your mask keeps your arms tucked in so much better. I have tried it and cannot get used to it sure I do not expose much, but I cannot hit anything I am shooting at. Maybe with practice it would improve, but who has time to practice when you work, have home responsibilities and only play once or twice a month?