geo feedback?

[user1]

I am looking into getting a 09 ego/geo and would like to hear some feedback on the geo. I trust the people on this forum more than the others so please if you could let me know what you think of it.

I have done alot of reading about them and I know about the two kits they came out with 1. being the new can/bolt set up, and 2 being the new pop shaft piston screw kit. Chances are I will buy one used, if the prev. owner did not install the updated pop shaft kit can I still get one?

Also I see people talking about measuring the check ball in the noid to see if it's 4 mm? Does the ball wear or did they have a bad run where it was the wrong size. Just wondering why it wouldn't be the correct size and why they want you to measure it?

[tblack]

I have owned every year of Ego thus far. Barring the SL serious in which case I have only owned an SL66. I use a GEO. That tells you my thoughts. I think its the best marker that I have ever used. The 10 Ego comes close. But I still prefer the GEO. It is a very straight shooting accurate marker.

As far as the Prop shaft and bolt kits out there. The original GEO's had issues with the ball striking the prop shaft and sometimes cracking the paint. Planet eclipse corrected this issue with the GR2 kit. They changed the design of the prop shaft mainly to stop the ball from striking the prop shaft allowing it to settle in the correct position before firing.

If you buy a used one, the GR2 kit must be included. You can tell if the marker has the GR2 Kit installed by two lines that are engraved into the front of the prop shaft. The old prop shaft does not have these two engraved lines. In this video you can see the area in which the two aforementioned lines are. Also it will show you how to and how easy maintenance is on a GEO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SolZsic46k4

The GEO is my marker of choice. It is very easy to maintain. It is a very accurate marker as well. One of the most accurate that I have ever shot. Where you point, it shoots. No lob to the shot. People say "flatter, straighter, further" when they describe it. And for the most part this is true.

Now I also run the Soft Touch bolt in mine. It shoots quieter, softer, and straighter still yet. But marginally. But in high ends. A little better is a lot better. The soft touch kit is the newest can and bolt. It works by not having just a big hole that it shoots the air through to propel the ball. In this situation sometimes the air does not apply equal pressure to all parts of the ball causing some inaccuracy in shooting. Not often, but it can. With the Soft touch bolt it focuses air through porting around the circumference of the bolt so that air shoots the ball evenly across its surface. Making every shot more consistent and even more easy on paint.

Note: Never had a chop or ball break that wasn't user error out of a GEO. If I had one it is because I didn't screw the barrel on all the way or something. Never shot a more consistent accurate marker either. GEO's simply are awesome.

Everyone that I have loaned my marker out to wants one. That says a lot considering for the most part they were high end owners. Dye, Ego, Bob Long, etc.

[tblack]

So my thoughts are.

-Buy one
-Make sure it has a GR2 kit already
-The ST "Soft Touch" kit is worth the money

Probably the best hidden deal used you can find for about $700-750 out there. On par with the 08 Ego as far as value for $500-600. Only you get what you pay for. The GEO is worth the difference in price.

[user1]

now thats why I love this forum, thanks for the info.

After watching video on it and all the jack wood tech talks about it seems like a great design. It also seems to have less kick than the ego in the video but thats hard to tell unless you have them in hand. I also like the idea of having one moving part.

This maybe a stupid question but how does the geo have so little kick without having a lpr or zick?

Also the noid looks heavy duty unlike the etek noid which I have had trouble with.

PE sure does it's homework and has the best customer service around. I think im am pe for life :thumbs up:

rep sent thanks

[tblack]

First off, no question is stupid. We all learn somewhere.

The GEO is a spool valve design. The Ego is an open bolt design. They are to different ways of delivering air on ball. The Ego requires a rammer that is a piston(zick kit) that the air moves. In turn the bolt is connected to this piston by a shaft. When the rammer(zick kit) is moving it is in a pumping action that is the kick that you feel when you fire it.

The spool valve GEO doesn't have a rammer. So it doesn't have this pumping action that goes on inside the marker. The bolt itself is your rammer so to speak. So it does not have that kind of kick. The GEO's kick is very minimal. In fact, with the Soft touch kit it is virtually eliminated. The only kick that you have is from the ball firing. When you dry fire a GEO there is absolutely no kick at all. Meaning the only kick you get is the one that you can't eliminate. That is the ball itself.

Here, maybe this computer demonstration of the two markers might help you not only in field dressing these markers. But give you an understanding in the differences in which they go about firing the ball. I find that illustrations do better than description.

http://www.planeteclipse.com/egogeo/geo.html

If you go through all the tabs on both I think you will start to understand the differences in a spool valve and an open bolt.

The different design of a spool valve limits you to about 25-28 BPS. The open bolt there is no telling of what the top end. It in theory is capable of 40+ BPS. But who needs that kind of speed.

[tblack]

To directly answer your question you already did..lol. The fact that it doesn't have a zick kit is why it has far less kick. The zick is nothing more than an air powered piston that drives the bolt as illustrated in the link I gave you. This means that it has both a bolt and a piston that are tied together. That is a lot of mass moving inside a marker. And all of that mass has forward momentum that has to be stopped. That is the kick that you feel in an Ego. Where as a Geo only has one part, the bolt/can that has to stop on it's forward stroke. And being that it is directly into the ball means that this momentum is transferred to the paintball itself. Less mass, less kick.

[user1]

The spool guns I have used in the past seem to have more kick by far than the geo (judging by the videos). Now that I think about the amount of mass moving in the ego it is a wonder it has so little kick. But I understand how the zick makes an air pocket and slows down the travel of the ram at the end of it's travel.

Have you had any trouble with the geo not shooting hot enough? I am reading as many threads about it as I can and have come across several people that say they couldn't get it above 200-225. I saw the tuning of the geo thread by one of the pe reps. I see the points he has about the paint to bore match, dwell, vxt<? the volume adjuster on the prop shaft, and the early trouble with the seal on the end of the hpr piston (pre repair kit gs something that has a new piston).

also do you know anything about the check ball in the noid? They mention to measure it in several post just wondering why it wouldn't be the correct size. (4mm)?

[user1]

got a reply about the noid check ball.

The company supplying the plastic ball for the solenoid hasn't been entirely consistent in what they supply. Planet asked for balls to measure between 4.0 and 4.1mm in diameter, but it was later found that the balls they were being sent were sometimes smaller or larger than this. Either the production tolerances are woeful, or they are just sending any small plastic ball they happen to have to hand.

Obviously, it would be best for the ball to be between the stated sizes, but being slightly too large shouldn't be an issue. If the ball is way too large, it wouldn't move freely, and if it is way too small, it doesn't seal, and the back check ceases to function.

If the back check assembly doesn't seal, air will vent out of the firing chamber when the solenoid switches, leading to low velocity, or a total failure of the marker to fire.

[tblack]

The air volumizer is only used in CQB play. Where you have to shoot at lower FPS. You don't use it in normal play. I have only had an issue when I didn't know this. I thought it was for normal use. I have not had any issues with bringing my GEO up to speed.

Like I said. You need one that already has the GR2 kit installed. Or you will have to get a GR2 kit to assure that your don't run into issues. The GR2 kit consists of more than just a bolt.

I have not had an issue with the noid check ball. That is interesting that you bring this up because it's the first time I have heard of that one.

[DriverJ]

I've owned most every year ego. With the exception of an 05 Ego and the Ego 10.

I''ve owned or shot every year of SL as well.

I love the Geo. I love owning both Ego and Geo. I can decide what I want or whats important from game to game.
The Geo has so far been more efficient than any other spoolie I've shot. I've previously owned a Dark shocker SFT, DM3, PMR, and I spent quiet a bit of time with a DM6. The smoothest by far was my Dark Shocker. I had that gun tuned to perfection and it shot just amazing, but I was lucky if I got 3 Pods and loader from my 45/45. It was the smoothest gun ever, absolutely no barrel rise. I needed money and sadly sold it, but I couldn't shoot it anyways as my team had just signed with Eclipse (but thats another story ;) ). The Geo is quiet a bit better in terms of efficiency and I have a feeling that after a bit of tuning and a GST Kit the Geo will crush the Shocker in smoothness.
I get around 5 pods from a 3900ish fill on my 45/45.
The down side to me is that with my Ego I can get 9 pods off the same fill. It works much better for me since in most cases I'm an insert / Utility player.

Compared to every other spool out there the Geo is by far the simplest maintenance. It has far fewer dynamic seals than any other spoolie and far less O-rings than Dye's new NT. I've yet to shoot the NT to get a comparison.

If you get a Geo you will definitely like it. I personally prefer the Ego due to its efficiency since most games until I hit the field I may be playing corner, may be snake, or back center. never know.

In all the Geo is smooth reliable and super easy to maintain.
A guy I play with that has no clue how to take care of his guns, did not lube his until well after 10 cases had been shot through it and it was still reliable, leak free, consistent and laser straight. If I would have left my shocker with the same lube for that long it would have thrown a fit!

Either way solid guns. Great shooting well worth the $

[Darth Ratt]

If T-balck likes it , then I trust his judgement. Lt

[user1]

I play 80% scenario/woods and 20% speedball. I am getting about a case per fill out of my big scenario tank 88/4500 with my etek 2 so eff. shouldn't be an issue. My friends have smaller tanks I am going to use for speedball when we have fills at the ready.

last post to make sure a I have the kits clear then I will leave it alone thanks everyone for the info.

gr2 or warranty kit from pe
new prop shaft (a bit shorter and two lines on it), hpr piston, and screws with nylon on them so they don't fall off.

sft kit new can and bolt system for a softer shot with less noise.

[tblack]

I think you about got it. The Soft Touch kit will give you a little more consistent shot. But only someone experienced with a GEO would notice.

[tblack]

Out of a 68/4500 I am getting about 1200-1300 shots now that it is getting close to being broken in. It seems the longer I use it, the better it shoots and the more efficient. Not as efficient as the Ego for sure as I was pulling about 250+ more shots out of it. But the GEO isn't fully broke in yet. Who knows.

I love the Geo because of the smooth shot and ball on ball straight shot. I do this all the time to show why I like the GEO. I toss a paintball out about 25-30 feet and then shoot it. Then I invite others to do the same. Only one person was able to repeat this shot and he was using an EGO..lol. It took him two shots. That I think was either TriggerHappy or Junior. Can't remember.

[tblack]

In fact, I saw a pro player picking paintballs out of the air one time. I have always wanted to do this and now I can. The difference is, the pro player was quick shooting the paintball before it got more than 5 feet over his head. I let it hit its pinnacle of about 15 feet over my head. Still not that fast. But the point is. To be able to do this the marker must shoot straight. Meaning when you look down your barrel. That is exactly where the paint is going to go.

Now an Ego is ball on ball as well. But there is a little lob to the shot and it takes a lot more skill to hone single shot small target accuracy.

[user1]

well thanks again for all of your help.

All I have to do now is decide if I want to sell my etek 2 :( and save up the cash for a new toy.

[tblack]

There is nothing wrong with an Etek II. That is a tough one.

[pirke]

If T-balck likes it , then I trust his judgement. Lt

I'm completely with this!!

I was lucky on Fulda Gap 09,and with T's generosity i had a chance to play with his GEO! :yes nod:

I didn't have a chance to play with electro before that so my impressions are next:
1.unbelievable precise
2.best st8 shoot that i ever seen
3.same consistency with 95% of shoots
4.ultra light (lighter from that and you will think that is made from plastic)

The best marker i ever use,and i use a couple of others after that but no one was even close to GEO!
That marker convert me on a dark side! :D
Btw,thanks T :yes nod:

[user1]

As soon as my cash drip turns into a cash flow it's time for a geo

[Melonhead]

That rhymes. Weird... Mongo you should see if someone on the Nation with a GEO is looking to downgrade. That way you could offload "the mistress" and not have to spend as much to get your GEO.

[user1]

it's going to be a while but when the time comes I will tap into the melon aka caretaker to get the best deal.

[Melonhead]

Talk to GFOURce as well. His Jedi deal shopping skills are far more developed than my own.

[markerjunky]

If G finds a great deal on a Geo, I think he'll hold on to it!